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Minutes of the 30th NCOWS Territorial Congress February 15, 2008 Reardon Civic Center Kansas City, Kansas
Marshal Scott called the meeting to order, 7 p.m. Friday, Feb. 15 2008
Present: Territorial Senators; Rob Brannon, Jack Bursovsky, Robert Chenault, Herb Gindulis, John Irons, Dave Scott, Mike Tatham, John Torrence, George Warnick, Territorial Representatives; Glenn Burley, Steve Coop, Bob Dorian, Pete Ersland, Rob Fulcher, Dave Howrey, Troy Lytle, Jim Mullins, Karen Weber
Present by Proxy: Territorial Senators; Jim Boeke, John Covert, George Glenn, (George Glenn’s votes will not be counted as his Proxy was received too late to be used.) Duane Hartwig, Tracy Thorpe, Dave Williams Territorial Representatives; Rose Calloway (Covered Bridge Shootists), Bill Proctor (Scarlet Mask Vigilance Society), Roger Schultz (Border Regulators), Thomas Spanton (Wisconsin Old West Shootists)
Absent: Territorial Representatives; Richard Smith (Lonesome Pine Pistoleros)
Guests: Jay Williams, Al Harris, and many others whose names I can’t recall.
Swearing in of new Territorial Senators and Territorial Representatives: Rob Brannon, Bob Dorian, John Irons, Dave Scott, Mike Tatham, and George Warnick were sworn in.
Election of Officers: It was moved and seconded (Ersland, Dorian) to accept the nominations by acclamation of the following officers. Marshal: Dave Scott Deputy: Mike Tatham Judge: John Torrence Secretary: Jack Bursovsky Banker: John Irons Motion carries unanimously. Rob Brannon was elected as the Senate Delegate. Steve Coop was elected as the Representative Delegate.
It was moved and seconded (Dorian, Chenault) to approve the minutes of the 29th NCOWS Territorial Congress as read. Motion carries unanimously
Officers Reports:
It was moved and seconded (Chenault, Fulcher) to approve the Bankers report as read. Motion carries unanimously.
The 2007 financial review report was given by Al Weaver.
Editor, George Warnick gave a brief report on the magazine.
Mike Tatham reported that he has finished the rough draft on “How to form a Posse”.
Secretary Bursovsky gave the Secretary’s report. He stated that as of February10, 2008 NCOWS has 930 members. He also stated that NCOWS has lost three Posses since the July Congress Meeting. They were the Beaver Creek Social Club, The Hat Creek Regulators and The Fort Des Moines Rangers. Bursovsky also stated that it looked like NCOWS may be getting a new Posse in Alaska. Bursovsky also stated that the chances were good for one other new Posse in the Midwest.
Marshal Dave Scott in his report stated that it looked good for a new Posse in California and a new Posse in Long Island, New York.
Old Business:
It was moved and seconded (Bursovsky, Ersland) to allow the use of all big bore rifles made and used within the time period between 1865-1899, such as Krags, and 1895 Winchesters among others, as a side-match or long range rifle. Such rifles would be shot at paper targets using the velocities and bullets that they were designed for. Posses would have the option of offering this side-match or long range event as they choose.
It was moved and seconded (Gindulis, Bursovsky) to amend the original motion as follows. to allow the use of all big bore rifles made and used within the time period between 1865-1899, such as Krags, and 1895 Winchesters among others, as a side-match or long range rifle. Such rifles would be shot at paper or metal targets as appropriate, using the velocities and bullets that they were designed for. Posses would have the option of offering this side-match or long range event as they choose. Motion carries unanimously.
It was moved and seconded (Chenault, Bursovsky) to amend the motion as follows.( to allow the use of all rifles made and used within the time period between 1865-1899, such as Krags, and 1895 Winchesters among others, as a side-match or long range rifle. Such rifles would be shot at paper or metal targets as appropriate, using the velocities and bullets that they were designed for. Posses would have the option of offering this side-match or long range event as they choose. Motion carries unanimously.
The motion as amended now reads (NCOWS will allow the use of all rifles made and used within the time period between 1865-1899, such as Krags, and 1895 Winchesters among others, as a side-match or long range rifle. Such rifles would be shot at paper or metal targets as appropriate, using the velocities and bullets that they were designed for. Posses would have the option of offering this side-match or long range event as they choose. Voting Yes: (Scott for Boeke), Brannon, Burley, Bursovsky, (Bursovsky for Calloway), Chenault, (Bursovsky for Covert), Dorian, Ersland, Fulcher, Gindulis, Irons, Lytle, Mullins, (Chenault for Proctor), (Irons for Schultz), Scott, (Scott for Spanton), (Irons for Thorpe), Torrence, Warnick, Weber (23) Voting No: Coop, (Scott for Williams) (2) Abstain: Howrey, Tatham(2) Motion carries.
Rob Fulcher gave a brief report on the upcoming 2008 NCOWS National Shoot. The dates are June 5, 6, and 7 2008. The National Shoot will be held at Evansville, Indiana.
New Business:
Steve Coop gave a report on the Sub-Junior Shooters Committee recommendations. The recommendations by this committee will be attached to the back of the Minutes.
Item A: Banker John Irons discussed the meeting with Lockton Insurance Company about the different options for Posse Insurance. He also stated that he will look into rates with different insurance companies.
Item B: Banker Irons stated that due to certain major purchases that are not yearly expenses such as brochures and NCOWS window stickers and the expense of the NRA Convention, that it looked like NCOWS had falling revenue. However he stated that he was not too concerned with it at this point. Editor Warnick also stated that he had just billed advertisers and that a major chunk of money should be coming in from that. Banker Irons then asked for an informal vote from the Congress on whether or not NCOWS should continue to pay for all the Posse insurance reimbursement or just the base policy cost as outlined in the by-laws. The congress voted overwhelmingly for NCOWS to continue providing full reimbursement to the Posses, with the lone dissent coming from Senator Bursovsky.
Item C: It was moved and seconded (Bursovsky, Dorian) to amend Safety and Procedure Rules (shaded areas below are existing bylaw wording. Proposed changes are underlined (new) or crossed out (removed)) No squib or magnum velocity loads. No jacketed bullets, only cast lead alloy bullets, except for Side-matches and Long-Range events as approved by the hosting Posse. Shot is to be lead only, and no larger than #7 1/2's. Only cartridges and velocities approved in The Tally Book are allowed. Shooters may be held responsible for damage caused to a target by too "hot" a load. Motion carries unanimously.
Item D: It was moved and seconded (Chenault, Ersland) to offer a reduction in membership dues if the renewal is for more than one year, somewhat like the NRA does on its two, three and five year memberships. The executive committee can determine by what amount to reduce the fee. Voting Yes: (Scott for Hartwig), (Chenault for Proctor), (Irons for Shultz), (Scott for Spanton), Warnick (5) Voting No: (Scott for Boeke), Brannon, Burley, Bursovsky, (Bursovsky for Calloway), Chenault, Coop, Dorian, Ersland, Fulcher, Gindulis, Irons, Lytle, Mullins, Scott, Tatham, Torrence, Weber, (Scott for Williams) (19) Abstain: (Bursovsky for Covert), Howrey (2) Motion Fails.
Item E: It was moved and seconded (Chenault, Dorian) to offer a reduced life membership to those 60 and older...again like the NRA does, and pay on a monthly schedule until paid for. Voting Yes: (Chenault for Proctor), (Irons for Schultz), (Scott for Spanton), (Irons for Thorpe),(4) Voting No: (Scott for Boeke), Brannon, Burley, Bursovsky, (Bursovsky for Calloway), Chenault, Coop, (Bursovsky for Covert), Dorian, Ersland, Fulcher, Gindulis, (Scott for Hartwig), Irons, Lytle, Mullins, Scott, Tatham, Torrence, Warnick, Weber, (Scott for Williams)(22) Abstain Howrey (1) Motion Fails.
Item F: A motion to add By-law 9-5 stating the following: Any new Posse that has 12 or more dues paying NCOWS members shall after initiating the request for a premium application from said such insurance provider, and after filling out said such application with the required information and then forward it to the Executive Committee for approval and payment to the said such insurance provider.(Proctor) Motion was withdrawn.
Item G: A motion to amend Appendix A Line 13. (shaded areas below are existing bylaw wording. Proposed changes are underlined (new) or crossed out (removed)) Course of fire will be the same during the match as other shooters using two firearms. Reloads may be required, and the use of a shotgun or revolver to engage rifle targets, may be dictated by the participant’s choice of firearms. So that no advantage or disadvantage may be created, there shall be no pistol reloads in this class. (Tatham) Motion was withdrawn.
Item H: It was moved and seconded (Torrence, Ersland) to approve the following list of calibers, plus any already approved post 1900 calivers, plus the .44 Henry Flat cf. List of pre-1900 US and common foreign (mostly British) cartridges:
230 Revolver 1890's 360 S. Revolver 1882 410 S. Revolver 1870's 45 Webley 1876 297 Long rev 1880's 360 Mars 1895 410 Revolver 1880's 45 Webley MII 1876 30 Borchardt 1880's 38 S&W 1877 430 Revolver 1870's 45 Colt 1873 30 Mauser 1893 38 COlt Police 1877 430 L. Revolver 1870's 45 Schofield 1875 300 Revolver 1880's 38 S. Colt 1875 430 JDJ 1870's 45 Bland #1 1875 32 Long 1875 38 L. Colt 1875 44 S&W Russian 1870 45 Mars Long 1895 32 S&W 1878 38-44 S&W 1886 44 S&W American 1869 450 Long Rev. 1880's 32 H&R 1884 38 Colt Army 1886 44 M&W 1877 450 Boxer 1890's 32 M&H L. 1884 38 Colt Navy 1886 44 Webley 1868 450 Colty Adams 1865 32 M&H 1883 38 Long CF 1875 44 Bulldog 1880 455 Enfield/Colt 1892 32 Webley 1883 38 AMU 1875 44 Colt 1871 455 Webley/Eley 1897 32 L. Colt 1875 38 M&H 1881 44 Rem. Army 1876 476 Enfield/Eley 1880 32 S. Colt 1875 380 Ex. Short 1886 44 Nagant 1876 50 Rem. Army 1871 32 Protector 1880's 380 Revolver 1872 44 WCF (44-40) 1873 500 Revolver 1870's 320 Revolver 1870 380 L. Rev. 1872 440 Revolver 1882 500 Irish Const. 1880's 32 L. Rev. 1882 38-40 Win. 1874 440 L. Revolver 1880's 577 Enfield,Eley 1868 32 WCF (32-20)1882 41 L. Colt 1877 442 L. Revolver 1882 32-44 S&W 1867 41 S. Colt 1875 442 Revolver 1868 360 #5 Rev. 1870's 442 R.I.C. 1868 41 S. Colt long case 1880's And a new copy of an original rf 44 Henry flat cf Voting Yes: (Irons for Schultz), (Irons for Thorpe)(2) Voting No: (Scott for Boeke), Brannon, Burley, Bursovsky, (Bursovsky for Calloway), Chenault, Coop, (Bursovsky for Covert), Dorian, Ersland, Fulcher, Gindulis, (Scott for Hartwig), Irons, Lytle, Mullins, (Chenault for Proctor), Scott, (Scott for Spanton), Tatham, Torrence, Warnick, Weber, (Scott for Williams) (24) Abstain: Howrey (1) Motion Fails.
Item I: It was moved and seconded (Bursovsky, Ersland) to hold the 2009 NCOWS Convention at the Reardon Civic Center in Kansas City Kansas, March 20, 21, and 22, 2009. Motion carries unanimously.
Item J: The Executive Committee will be soliciting Posses for bids to hold the 2009 NCOWS National Shoot. Rowdy Fulcher from the Crab Orchard Cowboys has indicated that they would probably be willing to host the shoot the first weekend of June in 2009. The Executive Committee will make this decision at a later date.
Item K: It was moved and seconded (Chenault, Bursovsky) to hold the 31st NCOWS Congress Meeting at Jim Boeke’s facility in McGregor, Iowa on the last weekend of July.
It was moved and seconded (Burley, Bursovsky) to amend the motion by striking out the date. Motion carries unanimously.
The amended motion now reads to hold the 31st NCOWS Congress Meeting at Jim Boeke’s facility in McGregor, Iowa. Voting Yes: (Scott for Boeke), Burley, Bursovsky, (Bursovsky for Calloway), Chenault, (Bursovsky for Covert), Ersland, (Scott for Hartwig), Irons, Lytle, (Chenault for Proctor), Scott, Weber (13) Voting No: Brannon, Coop, Dorian, Fulcher, Gindulis, Mullins, Tatham, Torrence, Warnick (9) Abstain: Howrey, (Irons for Shultz), (Scott for Spanton), (Irons for Thorpe), (Scott for Williams).(5) Motion carries.
It was moved and seconded (Bursovsky, Chenault) to adjourn the meeting. Motion carries unanimously.
NCOWS APPRENTICE-YOUTH PROGRAM
The goal of this committee is to establish an Apprentice-Youth program which will act through Posse mentors to train and educate sub-12 year olds to become safe, responsible and involved members of NCOWS.
Committee List: Karen Steiger Rose Calloway Jack Bursovsky Bob Chenault Steve Coop (chair)
Apprentice-Youth Standing Committee Request—The members of this committee request that NCOWS establish a standing Apprentice-Youth Committee to facilitate and develop this program. This committee, once established, will be made up of Apprentice-Youth Mentors to act as volunteers to both administer and develop the program at the posse level. Additionally, one or more Executive Board members will be needed on the committee as they deem necessary.
Apprentice-Youth Requirements: The requirements for a youth to participate in the program are as follows: 1) under 12 years of age 2) parent/guardian must be an NCOWS member in good standing 3) to shoot, they must present an approved Hunter Safety Education Certificate from their state of residence and be approved by the Mentor and Range Safety Officer/Posse Marshal
Apprentice-Youth Mentors: Will be selected by each participating Posse. These will be the members that will actually run the program at the posse level and work in combination with the parent/guardian to train and educate the Apprentice-Youth. They should be experienced members of NCOWS who are familiar with the NCOWS Bylaws, safety guidelines and their Posse’ range rules. They should also possess the ability to work with youth of this age and develop an effective training and Old West educational program for the individual Apprentice-Youth. They will additionally serve as members on the Apprentice-Youth Committee.
Parent/Guardian: Must be a current NCOWS member. They will work in conjunction with the Mentor to allow their child to learn all aspects of the Apprentice-Youth Program. Their ongoing participation with the Apprentice-Youth and the Mentor is required throughout the program
Posse: The participating posse leadership will work with the mentor to assist in the administration of the program. The Posse will be responsible to request a greenhorn/.22 specialty shoot or side match variance for all events (Posse level, Regional or National Shoot) involving the program.
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